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THE SUBSTANCE OF SPIRIT

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Topic: THE SUBSTANCE OF SPIRIT

Posted By: Ron McGatlin
Subject: THE SUBSTANCE OF SPIRIT
Date Posted: 02/05/2009 at 8:49am

The Substance of Spirit
By Ron McGatlin
The substance of God is available to abide within redeemed mankind. God’s desire is to flow His life by His Spirit from the throne in heaven directly into the hearts of His sons on earth. (Sons is not used here as a gender specific term.) Father, Son (Jesus), and Holy Spirit each have a part in the work of transference of the substance of God from the throne in heaven into the clay vessels of mankind on earth. Father is the creator and initiator. The Son is the Savior, King, and Lord. Holy Spirit is the transmuted substance of Father and Son. God’s plan and desire is to abide within and flow through redeemed mankind to redeem and govern all facets of life on Planet Earth with perfect love and righteousness.
This is the rudimental structure of the kingdom of God on earth from heaven to rule and reign on earth as in heaven. The substance of God flowing into and through man is the rule of God - the kingdom of Christ on earth. Every aspect of life in the world and every system of the planet are to be redeemed and transformed or translated into the kingdom of God. This is the gospel (good news) of the kingdom of God. The full redemption of all that was lost in the first Adam is a major part of the goal and purpose of the last Adam, Christ Jesus, sent from heaven by Father God and now flowing through the Holy Spirit into sons of God.
The great shift in the world is the beginning of the end of religion that released the power of the soul of man. And it is the maturing of the sons of God releasing the substance of God by the Spirit of God. Religion and soul power relate to the tree of knowledge of which we all have partaken through the first Adam. The works of darkness were released by Adam’s disobedience and can still be released through the soul power of men. The substance of God flowing through the Holy Spirit and indwelling God’s people relates to the tree of life. In the first Adam sin separated us from the tree of life. In Christ Jesus we have been restored to the potential of again fully partaking of the tree of Life.
Returning to the Tree of Life
In the past seventeen to eighteen centuries, the church has functioned to various degrees in soul power based on intellectual discernment of the Bible. In the period sometimes referred to as the dark ages, the church was primarily in this mode. However, in recent centuries there has been a continuing work of God moving us toward the return to the tree of life – the life substance of God by the Spirit of God. The yet incomplete process of moving from the darkness of ungodly worldliness and religion into the light of the kingdom of God has caused a season of mixture of darkness and light in much of the church.
We are now experiencing and will continue to experience an increasing work of cleansing of the people of God from the darkness of the past. The mixture must be removed. The pattern for the pure and holy “ekklesia” is coming down from heaven and being formed on earth as the New Jerusalem lifestyle.
Historically, for the most part, the substance of God was not flowing by the Holy Spirit in the past church systems. This void allowed the apostles and prophets of God to be replaced with theologians who fostered teachings that were often man-made, highly intellectual, and sometimes demon inspired. These doctrines became the framework for the church systems of man-centered religion.
The renewed flow of the substance of God through His Spirit is again giving life to apostles and prophets as humble loving powerful firebrands of truth to establish the kingdom that was begun in Christ and His disciples in the first century.
The obvious observation is that the kingdom of God cannot be built upon the foundation of the past church systems nor can it rest on the mixture present in much of the church and ministries at this time.
Much of the recent prophetic and apostolic ministry has attempted to build upon mixture and is in a precarious position. Multitudes of seekers have been misled by past religious darkness and the more recent mixtures of darkness and light. In order to gather a crowd and stay afloat, ministries continue to indulge in and give voice to the mixture from past church systems while attempting to present freshly revealed or restored light of truth.
New models and forms of church are of no value to God without the reality of the substance of Christ and the Father flowing into the people by the Holy Spirit of God bringing the good news of the real kingdom of God.
Relational groups and networks focused on growing through human-to-human relationship without flowing the substance of God is of little or no spiritual value. It is much the same as a secular support group.
A relational group based upon the past church system’s darkness or the present mixtures will not produce the kingdom of God on earth as in heaven. In fact, it will lead to confusion and will come to a premature end. Among others, two factors will be present in gatherings or networking works of God. First, the Holy Spirit will be bringing the substance of God including the headship of Christ. Secondly, there will be the primary focus of seeking the real kingdom of God and His righteousness.
The cry of the Spirit of God upon the earth today is for holy, pure-hearted, gifted apostles and prophets to arise and proclaim the powerful pure message of the gospel of the kingdom. At Jesus’ baptism the Holy Spirit descended upon Him and He began His ministry of preaching, teaching, and demonstrating the kingdom of God. At Pentecost the substance of God flowed into men and women of God by the Holy Spirit empowering them to do the works of Christ. The disciples, filled with the Holy Spirit, went about doing the works of God as the Lord worked with them by the Holy Spirit.
Mark 16:19-20: So then, after the Lord had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God. And they went out and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them and confirming the word through the accompanying signs. Amen.
The glory of the latter house will be greater than the former (Hag 2:9).
If you are reading this and are still shying away from the full work of the Holy Spirit and clinging to past teachings that devalue the baptism of the Holy Spirit, it is time to lay aside the past and move toward the high calling of knowing Christ Jesus in the power of His resurrection life flowing through the Holy Spirit.
It will not be profitable to continue to allow religious teachings or previous experience of abuses or mixtures to hinder us from truly becoming the full measure of the stature of Christ as a son of God. Please get this: You do not have to understand it all in your mentality, and you do not have to have seen it with your natural eyes. All of this is available today BY FAITH. What must we do to do these works of God? Only believe in Him who is sent (John 6:28-29).
Mark 16:16-18: "He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover."
Heb 11:1: Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 
The substance of God involves the anointing of God - the power, love, and wisdom of God - the Spirit of Christ - the manifest presence of God - the very life of God and the grace of God. Grace is “the divine influence upon the heart and its reflection in the life” (strongs G5485). All this and more is available through direct connection of the Christ in you connected to the Christ on the throne by the Holy Spirit.
The substance of God can be experienced in the manifest presence of God. God’s presence often comes into a gathering first within the spirits and souls (hearts) of God’s children. The substance of God flowing from the throne into their hearts will flow from them. The immediate atmosphere around becomes affected by the substance of God. As God’s people come together, the atmosphere can become super-charged with the substance of God releasing spiritual works and manifestations that are supernatural.
Ministering spirits (holy angels) may come to supernaturally do miraculous works among the people. Angels are drawn to the presence of God. However, demons panic and will flee easily when resisted. Gifts may be activated releasing prophetic utterances, tongues and interpretation, words of knowledge, words of wisdom, and spiritual visions and revelations or whatever is needed to meet the needs of the people and glorify God.
This and more is normal biblical works of God. What many of us have experienced in the past religious church was a powerless form of godliness without the powerful reality of the substance of God. More recently we may have experienced mixtures of grace gifts of God contaminated by impure vessels leading eventually to disappointing results and confusion. Spiritual discernment sharpened by use is needed to quickly discern what is of God and what is not. With discernment we need not fear receiving from a mixture. We can receive that which is of God while at the same time rejecting that which is not of God. Yet, God is raising up a people without mixture who by the Spirit flow the substance of God into the world doing the works of Jesus.
John 14:12: "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father.”
The predominant characteristic of the substance of God is love.
Every gathering or meeting will be different when led by Christ Jesus through the Holy Spirit. The wonderful power of manifestations will not manifest the same and may not always be recognizable within a meeting. However, love and humility will always be present where the substance of God is flowing by the Holy Spirit. Love and humility is not to be confused with human affections and social graces based in human etiquette. The love and humility flowing through the Holy Spirit is from the throne and is accompanied by righteousness, power, and wisdom of God. Peace and joy are products of love along with strength and righteousness for edification and correction.
1 Cor 13:13: And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
Gal 5:22-23: But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.
Eph 5:8-11: For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light (for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness, righteousness, and truth), finding out what is acceptable to the Lord. And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.
Keep on pursuing love.
It never fails.

Ron McGatlin

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Replies:

Posted By: Kathy Bippus
Date Posted: 02/05/2009 at 12:48pm

amen Ron,

it really is simple, when in laying down all our preconceived thoughts in His Presense and taking on His. He really will do what He said He will do and i don't think we have to try and figure it all out..which is some of what has been done in times past and brought hinderance.

i do appreciate those who He broughtforth and bringing, that come with a `you have heard it said, but i say to you" like unto Jesus, that brings liberty, freedom, deliverence. Just as what you are sharing here does.There is such joy and peace in His Kingdom as righteousness goes forth. *cheers Jesus

appreciate you bringing out that sons is not used in gender specific terms just as in terms used in scripture of speaking to or concerning the `brethren.'

blessings,

 



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Posted By: Bojo Sun
Date Posted: 02/06/2009 at 7:32am

Quote:
Every gathering or meeting will be different when led by Christ Jesus through the Holy Spirit. The wonderful power of manifestations will not manifest the same and may not always be recognizable within a meeting. However, love and humility will always be present where the substance of God is flowing by the Holy Spirit. Love and humility is not to be confused with human affections and social graces based in human etiquette. The love and humility flowing through the Holy Spirit is from the throne and is accompanied by righteousness, power, and wisdom of God. Peace and joy are products of love along with strength and righteousness for edification and correction.

Yes, how different they are! I pray that such followships will continue to spring out and flourish in every corner of the world. Bless the Lord!




Posted By: Lyn McSweeney
Date Posted: 02/06/2009 at 1:34pm

YES RON AMEN!!!!



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Posted By: Gayle Getz
Date Posted: 02/07/2009 at 11:00am

A hearty AMEN to this post and every comment-love you ALL-you ALL are just the kind of fellowship I'd asked for-  HE led me here to OH-HALLELUJAH TO KING JESUS OUR EVERYTHING! 

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Shalom-nothing missing, nothing broken-Gayle



Posted By: Ron McGatlin
Date Posted: 02/09/2009 at 5:48pm

Thanks to everyone for your replies and agreement. I believe we are all ready for mixture to be gone and the pure holy life and light of God filling all our hearts and eventually all the world.

The yet incomplete process of moving from the darkness of ungodly worldliness and religion into the light of the kingdom of God has caused a season of mixture of darkness and light in much of the church.

We are now experiencing and will continue to experience an increasing work of cleansing of the people of God from the darkness of the past. The mixture must be removed. The pattern for the pure and holy “ekklesia” is coming down from heaven and being formed on earth as the New Jerusalem lifestyle.
Ron



Posted By: Ron McGatlin
Date Posted: 02/10/2009 at 7:38am

Historically, for the most part, the substance of God was not flowing by the Holy Spirit in the past church systems. This void allowed the apostles and prophets of God to be replaced with theologians who fostered teachings that were often man-made, highly intellectual, and sometimes demon inspired. These doctrines became the framework for the church systems of man-centered religion.
The renewed flow of the substance of God through His Spirit is again giving life to apostles and prophets as humble loving powerful firebrands of truth to establish the kingdom that was begun in Christ and His disciples in the first century.
The obvious observation is that the kingdom of God cannot be built upon the foundation of the past church systems nor can it rest on the mixture present in much of the church and ministries at this time.
Much of the recent prophetic and apostolic ministry has attempted to build upon mixture and is in a precarious position. Multitudes of seekers have been misled by past religious darkness and the more recent mixtures of darkness and light. In order to gather a crowd and stay afloat, ministries continue to indulge in and give voice to the mixture from past church systems while attempting to present freshly revealed or restored light of truth.
New models and forms of church are of little or no value to God without the reality of the substance of Christ and the Father flowing into the people by the Holy Spirit of God bringing the good news of the real kingdom of God.
Ron



Posted By: Zach Dixon
Date Posted: 02/10/2009 at 9:25am

Ron there is a lot to chew on here. When people see into the realm of God, when they find themselves in heavenly places, when people really start to experience the Kingdom, the way we "do church" just does not cut it anymore. There is a hunger for so much more. 

 God dwells in the earthen vessels, the clay pots, in the people.

Wherever Gods children are He will be there also.

swimming pool, grocery store, carwash, schools hospitals, pool halls, restaraunts, shopping malls, post office, art gallerys, football fields and theatres etc................

many of these places are "BUILT BY MAN" maby even by crooks but God dwells IN THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BORN AGAIN in  these places .

 What Iam getting at is the Lord never intended all the masses to come running into our buildings to get saved! We are to go to the highways and byways etc.

FLIP THE COIN NOW

PEOPLE will not always come running out of their Boxes they call church, but PEOPLE NEED TO BE WISE AS A SERPANTS AND GENTLE AS DOVES and get in their and change the atmosphere,

 MEET THEM WHERE THEY ARE AT ,

 shift the hearts and imaginations because greater is He that is in us,  than he that is in the world. The kingdom willl manifest.

Whats important is that we meet at the cross, the place where the ground is level for all. We all can only come ONE WAY, the love way, not ours, but HIS LOVE FOR US! 

You can walk so close to God that you can walk into the most religous service and man made church structure but all you can see is the "HEAVENLY TABERNACLE"    You become so aware of Christ in you and your eyes are so fixed on things above that  the gas station, the service on sunday, or the no service on sunday, the house group, the gathering on line, the job, whatever it is , you are constantly aware of another world , another place, another dimension..................

When we learn to walk here we can allow the pools of living water(the Kingdom) to manifest in the deserts (man made etc) the KINGDOM INVADES EARTH

the knowledge of Gods Glory willl fill the earth,

the knowledge of the Glory will invade "THE PEOPLE" in the  man made structures regardless

thats where this is going, it will be sovereign.

It's like the drug addict , he is lost totaly possesed and in an instant God gets him and He is forever changed. the Lord of the Harvest meets him right where he is at. God will also meet the people where they are at, SHEER MERCY AND GRACE, NO DIFFERENT THAN THE DRUG ADDICT

but why wait there is an entering we can do, now!

SOMETIMES PEOPLE NEED TO COME OUT  AND SOMETIMES PEOPLE NEED TO GET IN , but it's a HEART THING AND AN ACCOUNTABILITY THING, IT'S A RELATIONAL THING.

We must learn to walk in this Kingdom reality wherever God places us. WE NEED TO COME TOGETHER and break bread,

there is a real  heaveny tabernacle and you can be there anytime and in ANYPLACE

this is the place you find yourself in when you know how to drink the blood and eat the flesh of Christ, the place where the Spirits of just men are made perfect, the communion of the saints, the "GENERAL ASSEMBLY" of God

grace............Zach



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Posted By: Mandy Gay
Date Posted: 02/16/2009 at 3:19am

Both Ron and Zach touched on the atmosphere and it being changed.  This is really speaking to me at this time.  With much to chew on, I thank you.

Love Mandy




Posted By: Larry Denton
Date Posted: 02/16/2009 at 7:26am

 

Dear Bro. Ron...

Blessing my brother and in this we are all Family!

It's a one of a kind "experience " when found in this substance of spirit and truth, and or that which servers to birth, create and stand us up to live in spirit freely... regardless of what is found without … where it be in mind or body!

So much so... that it becomes that place without… in a gathering of the saints, because it is within us to experience the presence of Our Lord, Who is Jesus Christ! I speak of the Kingdom = "BEING" To-gather in this substance… we become conscious of how God is creating this "understanding" in us of how precious each being is, when able to "abide" in the substance!

I will say again, so that the word become part of our understanding: "Create" …And what is that, t hat is being created, so that what ever it is it is able to honor the creator out of love and not fear, coming to Him freely as opposed to being pushed toward Him. In that. "Within" we are in what He is In; that substance we finding (being conscious) that we no longer need to seek those thing "without" to give an answer to who we are... and where it is that we have come from!

Could it be the very and only reason we are to come and gather In the Spirit… in that... each time we do something of how we are too proceed in life = a need is met yes, but also having received direction, then correction comes and our minds/ hearts is "renewed", allowing all to "put on the Mind of Our Lord Him self!

To Know the mind of Him, found in the Spirit He resides in, that substance in which "we to" can participate in loving outers as He does, manifested as deliverance and healing?

And it is in the renewing that we are able to honor God in he ability to love one another as he IS = in the present loving us!

Now is the substance, become part of us and we are able to judge according to Righteousness!

What is the wisdom of the Apostle here?

1 Cor. 4:5 (KJV)
Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.

Judge nothing before the time? Does this mean judge nothing until Our Lord returns?

I think not, but it was when they gathered and in this substance, manifested in the character of Our, as Love the Holy Spirit "empower the heart of all that gather, and then it happen.

What happens is He, the Lord of Host... comes and in His presence we are able to receive understanding!

Because He bring a current revelation manifested as light that exposes the darkness in all present and then something is manifested!

Bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.

The Councels of the Heart/ Mind? And only then "Every Man" can do what?

I will let all "gathered" here answer that...

But from a prophetic perspective (that which I work on via my election to do so) I find the words Judge nothing relevant because whatever the need collective and individually. (Because we are with in that Substance or Power of His presence. He not some minister can Judge the matter to bring deliverance or healing to all there.

Faith being manifested, the results of which allow us to "proceed in life" having NOW His understanding on how we are to JUDGE and in this judgement is a matter of Righteousness!

In this Now Faith (substance). The following Word can be fully understood!

1 Cor. 14:23-24 (KJV)
If therefore the whole church be
come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad? But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:

This is no work of man, but of the holy spirit creating "within" this unlearned man or un- believer that what is being present to him goes beyond his mind and floods his spirit and the light of love drives out all the darkness that he of she was trying to fill by doing something to be loved!

Shall I go on? I can. Because in the substance all becomes this wonderful place in which understanding come and it is too wonderful and we all are hard pressed to write about it!

To write the Apostle Paul use the words "If therefore" because if this gathering come about or not each of us can "abide in this substance each day and in doing so Our Lord come and goes and then in doing so we are led to Our Father and then we are left alone to, turn and look back into the darkness, but this time we do not fear it, We stand in it and become the same things He is, that is a man or women given to love and no fear of doing things, but just being who we are brings that some thing that silver and gold cannot buy.

I would like to hang around in this light here, but must go. Being only allowed to stop here and there (to rest in this light being posted)(prophets need this) But I am seeking the Kingdom via the substance, watching for small curl of smoke, still left in the souls I experience.

Matthew 12:20 (KJV)

A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory.

My little and full of light Brother in Christ… Bojo Sun is like that "the Sun" keeps me posted in Spirit and speaks here from time to time of what is found here in this open space, so I will proceed to seek out those Apostle that desire the Light.

The Gifts of God to bring Unity is like a stick upon which there is a mixture of prophet, evangelist, pastors and teachers and when used buy Our Lord, being dragged across a hard and dry surface the friction causes the substance to "fire " and light comes.

The glory of the latter house will be greater than the former (Hag 2:9).

Yes, and even if we can understand that this word Glory contains the most powerful abstract meaning of something alive or to manifest life, we know that at it’s root, it means to function...via it structue ... in its "own" character"...

So there we are Ron, learning to function in Latter House and yes, it will be greater , in that the Grace of God, manifested in His Only Begotten Son, it that substance that came via the Promise, that will insure that the House of God will be greater…

Thanks ...our dear brother for your boldnessof heart  set with that substance to speak in love to all here.

Bro. Larry



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